Mac or PC?

[Davis]

So are you saying that since the computer is a tool, your results are better films then mine because you're a better filmmaker? That may very well be, and I'll be the very first to agree, but I don't see where you could make that distinction having not seeing my work, and it's a moot point besides, because the arguement at hand and topic of discussion is "is a Mac or a PC better?" So if my computer is better then yours, I think that solves the arguement nicely. For you to say, "Just because your computer is better doesn't mean your results are better," doesn't make sense in the context of this discussion. I don't mean result as in 'the finished film,' I mean, results in the sense of the computer's operation. The man asked what computer to buy. I'm recommending a PC, because my aging Dell is still faster then the Mac display models at my local software stores, and with my almost two year old stock equipment I'm rendering transitions and effects in Premiere fast and efficiently and watch my results with no lag.

I will say, though, that the one thing you've said that I see holds any merit is, "I wouldn't describe you guys as ignorant you just know nothing about Mac's!!!!!!!!!" I'd agree to that 100%. I'm not a Mac user so I stopped browsing Mac magazines and websites. Macs may be the funnest thing in the world to run, for all I know, and I'd say you've got me at a touche'. But I dare assume you don't know much about PCs, and so I'd be willing to end this arguement which has turned personal at a stalemate, if you'd agree to that.

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[machead]

well done for noticing that this topic of debate has digressed,I wonder why that is????
Some people have made some interesting contibutions to this debate
but there again some people have made stupid obversations likeQUOTE'they have a one button mouse' and 'The only reason Macs are still around is the marketing department' and sexist offensive comments like 'the automatic is great for girls talking on their cell phones and putting on makeup'
and 'They look good' and inaccurate statements like 'the thought of Mac's getting the innovations 3 years before PCs is LAUGHABLE'

and when in this post did you recomend the DELL PC?not until now.
I will refer to you as the BULLSHINE BOY from now on



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MACHEAD
http://www.macosrumors.com/

[Davis]

Man, you really try to use some MOOT points to win an arguement. Sorry I mentioned the brand name Dell one time. I'll make sure never to do that, let me correct myself: "My aging PC." However, I do recommend those looking at a PC to consider Dell, they have a solid product and friendly tech support.

The arguement has gone from PCs vs. Mac to you suggesting your films are better then mine and trying to make fun of my website. That's gravy man, but I hope you don't think you're convincing people to buy a Mac with that ranting, which is what I thought this was about. You said Macs get everything 3 years earlier then PCs, I said that's laughable, and instead of you telling me about any of these phantom technological breakthroughs that only you know about, you just say my statement was inaccurate. Well prove it, man. What, is this like the first arguement you've ever been in?

I don't see how you can call the quote "they have a one button mouse" a stupid observation. They DO have a one button mouse, right? So what makes that observation stupid? Frankly, I think the one button mouse is stupid, and the guy asked if he should get a PC or a Mac and I think that's a valid reason not to get a Mac.

I think that Macs have taken a second seat to PCs over the last ten years and the very best Macs may compete with PCs, but who can afford the very best Macs? He can get a great PC that he can edit video on for 400-800 bucks.

I think that they're pretty and see-through and that's the only reason Macs have kept afloat, hence my marketing department statement. I think their marketing and design guys have come up with some brilliant innovation, as Macs were the first computers to look cool, to be see through, to be neat looking, to have commercials with pop music and floating Mac monitors... brilliant stuff.

See, all my statements can be backed up. I can explain myself, and why I said each thing. But you have yet to tell anyone anything about the Mac, except "It gets new technology three years before PCs!" Um, could you name some? "The Velocity engine is so much better then PCs!" Well, I'm assuming you think it's better then a Pentium or Celeron processor, but you've also yet to say why.

You keep trying to attack me personally saying my statements are dumb or my website is dumb, but you won't attack the product I'm standing by, the PC. And it seems to me it's because it's easier to take potshots at me in an attempt to make everyone think I'm stupid then it is to actually do some research and have a decent reason to pick a Mac over a PC.

And if you want girls talking on their cell phones and putting on their make up to also drive a stick, that's fine and good, man, but I'm personally glad they invented the automatic transmission for people who do seventeen other things besides drive, guy or girl. Trying to make me out as a sexist was weak, by the way. Would you have been happier if I had said it's "great for guys talking on their cell phones and playing with their PDAs"?

Nice and mature that when I say, "hey lets end this in a truce, because I'm not going to convince you to get a PC any more then I'll be convinced to get a Mac," and your response was "I will refer to you as the BULLSHINE BOY from now on." Niiiiice.

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[Davis]

machead, maybe I'M the dense prick around here, (but I doubt it) but one questions how you could see the speed of my Premiere renders by viewing my website, which, at the mo, is nothing more then a personal journal. Maybe you'll explain that to me.

Perhaps you were making a vain attempt at insulting my web work. I'd all but hope you'd at least view something I'd made with effort, instead of my diary. http://www.pmind.com/mag/

But maybe you had a hard time understanding what I said, so I'll try to break it down a little easier for you, my 933mHz PIII with 256 megs of non ECC RDRAM and 64 meg nVidia GeForce II graphics card will render effects in Photoshop and transitions in Premiere and whatever else in After Effects just as fast as your Mac, and it doesn't matter that I'm running ported software. Just because software was made for one system first, doesn't mean you can say "Ha ha, your computer sucks," just because it had to be ported. You don't here my saying your Mac sucks solely because many Mac users run the Microsoft Office suite, do you? Criminy.

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[miker]

get a mac and put on yellowdog linux, that way you can have a two or three or any-number of button mouse :-)

seriously though, both platforms have their merits and you can't deny that mac users do "think different", LOL

the platform wars go back to spectrum vs commodore, and no doubt intellivision vs atari 2600 etc..

i definitely used to dislike macs until OS-X came about, but I've only read about it, much like I've only read about WinXP (although I do have it in a sandbox vm now)

back in 1987 when i was at college, macs definitely trounced all over the poor 286/386 PC's running Win3.x, but today it's not so clear cut.

one day the OS you run will be be a point as moot as the firmware in your VCR ... it will be the *windowmanagers* that people argue over ...

;-)

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[Davis]

I will say I was at Circuit City the other day and I was walking past the Macs, remembering this (and countless other) Mac vs. PC arguements I decided to give OS-X a go. I will say it was the best Mac OS I've interacted with so far, and feels a lot like XP, which I'm running, but I still don't like the way everything shares that thing at the top and just some other stuff, operations are different, yadda yadda yadda... I've heard a lot of great things about the new OS but like I said earlier, it took 10 versions before I heard anyone say, "Wow, the new Mac OS is so cool!"

That is an interesting thought, tho, that one day you won't even care what OS you have. I can definately see that coming, when computers become so advanced only the really nerdy types will still keep up with what's under the hood, and most people will buy a computer just like they buy a TV or toaster. Wierd thought. ::shiver::

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[machead]

OK I'll give you some examples of Mac being market leader in innovations.Airport(this is wireless comunication between your Mac Another Mac and now PC running XP(10P) and your modem,this was introduced 3 years ago when was this introduced on the PC?
I believe about 3 weeks ago but I could be wrong!!!!!
As you said firewire but we'll be having Gigwire soon!!!!
iTunes this is seriously cool and incredibly easy to burn audio CD's(in the background too)
iMovie you now have a basic video editng software for the PC
iPod but Apple are going to make a Windows version.
Cube although a flop ,you can't critise a company for trying an innovation.
Widescreen moniters on laptops which are made from Titanium to keep the weight and size down.

we havn't had 10 versions of our software we now have 2 though you see the Mac OS evolves (its organic).




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MACHEAD
http://www.macosrumors.com/

[machead]

I'm sorry you misuderstood my statement QUOTE 'As for you producing similar results to me I don't think so, I checked out your web site'
this is in respect to your photoshop skills only, when I surfed your site I could not find any films got bored and left,but did see some images which I based my opinion on,maybe if your site was designed differently I would have been able to find these films.
I am sorry for any confusion caused by this.

Also using MOOT points I'm not familiar with this term could you define MOOT for me.
Perhaps give me an example or maybe this is an example 'they have a one button mouse' what practical relevence has this statement to this debate when as stated by me if you 'CONTROL CLICK' you have the equivelent to the PC right click.I'm sure though this would cause inconvienenses to those who wish to have their left hand free for more pleasurable activities!!!!!!(I'm not suggesting PC user's are wankers) So we can deduce that wanking is easier on the PC than the Mac,great I'm of to buy a biege box,can't waite to phone those highly recomended help lines,and I'm really looking forward to some viruses as I feel I'm missing out as none of them work on my Mac(am I doing something wrong? why won't they work every great platform has viruses that bring the world to a stand still).
Maybe Apple should have the slogan 'WANK DIFFERENT'
or maybe Microsoft should have the slogan 'WANK BETTER'
So do tell us, what do you do with your left hand????

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MACHEAD
http://www.macosrumors.com/

[miker]

i don't have a left hand

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[miker]

fortunately that was a lie

i find generally that i either use the keyboard OR the mouse, rarely do I use both at the same time. actually I use a trackerball but that is a moot point ;-)

i think i use my left hand for scratching my chin and trying to look clever

like I say, this argument appears to be about desktop windowmanagers rather than technology, because usually apple take existing technology developed by the IEEE consortium and rename it:

firewire: IEEE1394
airport: IEEE 802.11b

these techs have been around for yonks, but PC users are generally paupers who drive the market so can't afford to be early adopters

the widescreens on iBooks and stuff do look cool though, but that's just look of course

no doubt apple have their own versions of optical mice, usb 1GB flash memory, dvd-ram, dvd-rw, dvd+rw, mpeg3, mpeg4, mpeg7, gigabit ethernet, 32 way SMP, clustering, load balancing, DDR, opengl, GPU, 64-bit CPU bus, PGA ...

fact is the PC market is COMMODITY driven, apple's market is driven by those who need ease of use and the familiarity of a brand with its associated reputation

and everyone knows the Xerox legend ...

don't get so wound up, the wind-up techology is being developed for the PC market

oh, and macs had the DIMM spec before it was widely available in PC's -- but not before some non-apple employee actually invented it

what's the big deal???

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